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Grateful Dead Live at Carousel Ballroom on 1968-03-16

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Grateful Dead Live at Carousel Ballroom on 1968-03-16


Topics Live concert


Dark Star-> China Cat Sunflower-> The Eleven-> Good Morning Little Schoolgirl Morning Dew, It Hurts Me Too, Cryptical Envelopment-> The Other One-> Cryptical Envelopment-> Alligator-> Caution-> Feedback, And We Bid You Goodnight


Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Carousel Ballroom
Location San Francisco, CA

Source Soundboard
Lineage SBD > MR > C > DAT > CDR > EAC (secure) > Cool Edit (minor fixes) > CD Wave (retracking) > mkwACT > SHN (seekable)
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Transferred by Raoul Duke and Matt Vernon

Notes

shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries.

1. d1t3 ~8:09 very brief drop out;~11:01 several very brief partial drop outs
2. d2t5 ~ brief diginose ~ 4:56
3. This show has a pH of 1!!
4. Dark Star > China Cat > Eleven is found on the SMR box set.

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Reviews

Reviewer: clementinescaboose - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 11, 2011
Subject: RE: The Eleven
Listening to this show again after a long break from '68.

The Dark Star>China Cat>Eleven I find for the most part to be very inspired for this period. I disagree somewhat about the Eleven and the band "flailing about" - the jam definitely does meander somewhat, but overall I find there is a lot of excellent interplay between Garcia and Lesh, with Jerry turning up the flames a bit towards the end of the jam. Probably not one of the best versions ever, but very nice and unique.

There is certainly no debate when it comes to this Alligator though - it could be even better than 2/14/68, and is easily one of the greatest of all time.
Reviewer: gratefuldiver - - June 21, 2010
Subject: Not streamable
Can anyone explain why this show isn't able to be streamed, even though it says that it can be? I receive the following message:

Item not available
The item is not available due to issues with the item's content.
Reviewer: rschwz28 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 15, 2010
Subject: K boy is right
I consider December 5, 1971 (NYC's Felt Forum)their best - also my first. I wasn't in Manhattan, but at home in Queens, planted in front of the FM stereo. I listened to, and taped (four 90-minute cassettes)every second, from Scott Muni's interview with Bill Graham through the fantastic NRPS set and the two Dead sets.

When I finally saw them live, March of '73, it was a disappointment. Pig had just died. I could barely make them out from the far end of the 15,000 seat Nassau Coliseum. I saw them probably less than a dozen times, up until the early '80's, and they never lived up to the old tapes and records.

Yet I'm a Dead Head. Have been since '71, and I listen to them here at the archive every day.
Reviewer: casady - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 2, 2010
Subject: I wasn't there...
So I'm going by the author's take and any archival library content I can find-like everyone else who wasn't there and taking notes-I use Deadbase, DeadLists & You Tube for my research and fact confirmation. What else can you do if you weren't there?
I try to stay away from Set list disputes because I wasn't there. I know shows must have gotten jumbled up and mislabeled & destroyed & then again, there are so many shows that have no sets listed at all!
Anyway, [This] show rocks, chock full of goodies & I believe, after all of my petty nitt-picking, here is a show that brings together all of the elements of the bands core structure & though formless most of the time, peaks in some enormous spots; giving Pig room to work; with great harmonica & presence, he seems to push his way right to the front of the song-maybe he intimidated Jerry a little(speculative); but, maybe some conversations had been had about set lists & how to get even further into the audience's psyche. As a stage musician myself, I do notice when people are interested & when to throw in that song that will lure them further down the rabbit hole, where we can all take the same trip & reciprocate the vibe- that kind of thing won't happen unless you're doing it show after show- this is only March 16, 1968 & they'd only been at it for a couple of years solid. You can tell iron is being worked with fire and hammer & The Grateful Dead are a force to be reckoned. Imitated more times than can be counted, but, listen and you will know, this band is the real deal.
Reviewer: quelots - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 15, 2009
Subject: We Bid You Goodnight
L. Rosley, they played We Bid You Goodnight on 1-22-68. two months before this concert.
Reviewer: smokey3644 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 27, 2009
Subject: I think I was there
If I remember right the encore was "Dancin in the Street", with Bob and Mr. Pen doing the vocals and obviously it's not included here.
Reviewer: oh_uh_um_ah - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 18, 2009
Subject: The GRATEFUL DEAD "Live On Stage" March 16, 1968, at the Carousel Ballroom, San Francisco, CA, U.S.A.
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5 stars for the mix
5 stars for the recording
5 stars for the performance
5 stars for the Duke-Vernon transfer

I highly recommend adding this show to your 1968 GRATEFUL DEAD collection.

The GRATEFULD DEAD were a force to be reckoned with in the 1960's.

Here is the music that captured a generation and altered the world forever.

"There is nothing like a GRATEFUL DEAD concert"

Eat, Drink, Be Merry and Listen to the GRATEFUL DEAD.

Thanks for the love from 1968.

PS: Remember to click on the DeadLists Project link and download the "poster" & "ticket" for this show...

PSS: Get March 17, 1968 at the Carousel Ballroom, it's a download at: http://www.deadnetstore.com/Commerce/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductGuid=3e9e4ec2-d804-486f-bf8b-355b58acd0b4&CategoryGuid=7e9a5ea1-a9db-4e07-946a-985bef589a57
Reviewer: kboyxxx - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 18, 2009
Subject: 67---69
My favorite years 67-69 by far. My first show was 4/29/71 FE
Moreover, to tell the truth none of the shows I went to after 72 never really did anything for me.
My point is that we need to be cognizant of others age and beliefs in “best years”.
It is all relative to that person at the show and this is his/her favorite show/year.
I went to Pigs funeral and remember walking out and thinking that I could never enjoy a show. I did, but not like the tapes of 67-69
Like acid, my first was the best.
K boy Texas
Reviewer: smokestack lightnin' - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 18, 2009
Subject: Becoming Jerry Garcia
OK, I'm gonna get a little historical on all y'all right now. As I've been enjoying all the concerts posted in this way-back machine the last couple of months, I've realized two important things. First, Jerry reached a point in his development as a musician where he started sounding like the Jerry Garcia the world would come to know starting in the early 1970's. Starting out, his style was more straight ahead electric blues, thrilling quite often and exploratory, but not with the level of innovation that came later. When did that come? It evolved, starting at around this time, I believe. I've listened very closely from 1967 on. By 1969 his later style was firmly in place and polished to a great degree. But it didn't seem to emerge until spring of '68. I can start to hear it in the dark stars and in this alligator. It's not all there yet. There are solo stretches that are repetitive and there are thematic ideas that are not finished, as he would accomplish later. But as I continue listening it seems that he develops a new style in concerts in the spring and through June 1968. Then there is two months until they come back in August, when for the first time, to my ear, he sounds like the Jerry who would become known as one of the greatest ever. I would love to find out what happened in the summer of '68 that led him to develop his style to where it became distinct in a new way. The other thing that has me thinking, which I need to explore some more, is the Dead's transition from electric blues to their Workingman's/Beauty era. That probably has been discussed hereabouts a lot, but (as someone who was turned on to the Dead in 1972 in my late teens) I consider songs from that era to be utterly original and a true and major contribution to the great American songbook.
Reviewer: L. Rosley - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 7, 2009
Subject: First performance of We Bid You Good Night
This is the first performance of We Bid You Goodnight, which is as evocative of the late ‘60’s Dead as anything. I remember at Jerry’s memorial in Golden Gate Park in 1995, the large crowd became silent when Goodnight from one of these shows came over the sound system.

Nice Dark Star. Jerry stumbles at the start of China Cat, then stumbles again on guitar just before the final vocals start. But otherwise, a fine effort in the style of China Cats of this period. This was one of the last times they played it before dropping it for almost year, replacing it with St. Steven.

But the first unfortunate cut of this tape is the end of China Cat, so we don’t have the transition to the Eleven. The Eleven has a bit different feel than others of this period, more bounce and less high-voltage. At several points it almost sounds as if they’re about to go into Goin’ Down the Road. Phil does some fine work here. I wouldn’t say it’s the best of the year, but it is good.

This is a good Schoolgirl. Pigpen’s harp and vocals sound great and Jerry is in the zone, though it does go on a few minutes too long.

This is one of the shows used in Anthem of the Sun. It spounds like portions of The Other One may have been used, maybe a bit of Alligator but that’s just a guess. But the reprise of Cryptical--Arggh! The jam is cut from the recording. Argh, I say. The beginning of Alligator is also missing. But the Alligator jam is fast-paced and electric, as is Caution. That latter is peppered with Pigpen on harp and is, at times, pure dynomite. Then, ARGHHH! Another cut: the transition into feedback is missing. Argh, indeed.

Dew aficionados, take note: this a very good Morning Dew, with Jerry and Phil dancing together instrumentally. I agree that it was probably at the beginning of the show, and not an encore after Good Night.

Even with the exasperating cuts, a fine Anthem-era show, though the February shows were a bit better.
Reviewer: Al E Gator - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 9, 2008
Subject: Good stuff!
they may have been technically better later, but they had more energy and spirit in 67 and 68 than any other time in my opinion
Reviewer: blackpeter70 - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 17, 2006
Subject: Morning Dew placement
I'm inclined to think that Morning Dew should be placed as the first song of the first set (Before Dark Star).

I agree that the chances that it follows AWBYGN are low. But, having listened to the stream, I can't see how it fits before Hurts me too.. something about it doesn't strike me as correct, I guess, placing it there. Two songs in a row with distinct stoppages (Crowd clapping)?

What I consider in favor of AM Dew coming before DS... 1 - The sound levels are up and down. This may be on the tape, but it strikes me as appropriate that if it's not the source, but the taper, that they'd mess with levels on the 1st song.
2 - Reviewing Deadlists set lists for shows in the same general time period reveals that AM Dew was often a 1st set song, and several times came before Dark Star.

All that said, I really don't have any "authority" other than my instinct here, so take it for what it's worth.

Great show, by the way. I think the Gator is not as solid as 2/14/68 (My favorite show (or maybe second behind 2/14/70)) but it's pretty close.

Furthermore, upon a closer listen, the notes before Hurts me too are clearly Clementine.
Reviewer: familiarfan - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 31, 2006
Subject: Nicely said
Outkast could've said it better as far as the band's best year.

The height of the war.

But there is soo much not on this site from 68'.
Reviewer: VA slim - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 6, 2005
Subject: Morning Dew placement??
from what i can gather i would have to say that the DEW is the 2nd set opener( as deadbase states) -and not the encore as this tracking, and deadlists states.

just from the fact alone that 'dew' in 68 is more likely placed in the opener spot, and 'bid you goodnight' is hardly ever(-if never?) followed by another song.
On top of that, i don't really see 'it hurts me too' being the set opener either.

so, IMO i would rearrange the tracks and put the Morning Dew at the beginning of the second disc, with the 'bid you goodnight' being the final track.
slim.
Reviewer: capn doubledose - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 21, 2005
Subject: Classic Hands down best Alligator ever
Listen to the "mountain jam" licks in Alligator around the 10 min mark - In fact they predate this by a few years - Who know where the Allmans got their inspiration. Pig runs the show on this. Sorry there are a few cuts in key places though.
Reviewer: Liamfinnegan - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 16, 2005
Subject: Wow. There should be many more reviews
I have been listening to all of 67 and now getting into 68, and this is the best so far, by far! I am just up to the Eleven Jam- the sound is impeccable for a show so old, the energy palpable, the communication between players exquisite.

The Alligator absolutely DEFINES 60's psychedelic rock. The licks that Garcia pulls out of his ass from 12 minutes through 13 minutes here are off the charts...why did he have to find Heroin?
Reviewer: Liamfinnegan - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 16, 2005
Subject: Wow. There should be many more reviews
I have been listening to all of 67 and now getting into 68, and this is the best so far, by far! I am just up to the Eleven Jam- the sound is impeccable for a show so old, the energy palpable, the communication between players exquisite.
Reviewer: outkast - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 21, 2005
Subject: 68
What a great fucking show,I love 68, buy far the best year of the Greatful Dead, not the bigest song rotation,but Holly shit they smoked more at every show during 68 then any other year,And this is no exception
Reviewer: phleshy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 13, 2005
Subject: According to Phil...
in Searching for the Sound, it was after this show that the infamous Phil/Jerry brawl took place ("You play motherfucker!") He said that the show occured on "the weekend of my 28th birthday." His birthday is 3/15/40. So this show indeed ended up as part of Anthem of the Sun, though I haven't yet figured out what songs were used. And the song that Phil stops playing in turns out to be Caution at roughly the 4-minute mark.

As for the playing, I think that the show is mostly great, though I strongly disagree that this is one of the greatest Elevens ever. Overextended by at least 5 minutes, the band just flails around aimlessly starting around 9:30, trying to pick up an individual theme but it seems that no one is up to the challenge, so the jam simply peters out WAY too late, with Jerry steering them into a good Schoolgirl with some really good Pig (gotta love his harp solos). The second set is good, though I agree the cut in Cryptical is a buzzkill. Excellent Other One and a smoking Alligator jam.

As for the sound quality, it's not the greatest-- somewhat hissy and muddy, and nowhere close to the clarity of 2/14, 10/12 or 10/20 but quite listenable and should be of no problem to fans of this era like me.
Reviewer: spleenboy - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 30, 2005
Subject: Cut during Cryptical
This is one of the live shows that were used in the mixing of Anthem, so you know it is going to be fucking amazing. The sound quality is damn good for "back in the day".

So just when they had brought Cryptical up to the exploding point, the tape cuts out. Ouch. But then Alligator comes in and goes the distance.
Reviewer: Havergill Milk - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 29, 2005
Subject: The Eleven
The version of The Eleven is one of the greatest ever! Caution>Feedback is sublime! Sound quality is great except for heavy on the bass (Phil). Also there are cuts in and out of almost every song. It isn't too bad though, and this is a must for fans of the period!
Reviewer: bolo the supreme hypnocrat - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - January 4, 2005
Subject: evolve...
This show really captures the boys development from dance pop to something a little weirder quite well. If you're looking to just jam out, 2/2/68 might bring a little more satisfaction for sheer power, but the conversation this night is a subtle picture of vast vistas in the distance. Oh, yeah...Feedback...Phil's really a funny guy ya know? Not quite the dastardly cry from the nether regions I was expecting, and I kept thinking that Curly would pop out a great big "Soitenlly!" I'll qualify my rank by saying that I rounded up from 3.5, but don't let that caveat stop you from enjoying what must have been a really fun night!
Reviewer: DeadDave - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - September 28, 2004
Subject: Violent Caution-Feedback
Absolutely horrifying, Feedback sounds like a Tractor Trailer horn on the highway in a tunnel with a crying baby strapped to the grill!!!

Watch out for your EARS!!! And your mind while your at it.
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